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	<title>Comments on: One Last Trip To Hell</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bree Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15410</link>
		<dc:creator>Bree Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you.

While your breakdown of the Billy Corgan Show was much clearer and less emotionally driven than my own, it was nice to read that I'm not the only person who saw them and felt jilted, abused, and left out in the cold. 

Billy's minions ate me alive on my review of their Denver show (denverpost.com/reverb) and my companion blog (breedavies.blogspot.com).

Wah, wah waaaah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you.</p>
<p>While your breakdown of the Billy Corgan Show was much clearer and less emotionally driven than my own, it was nice to read that I&#8217;m not the only person who saw them and felt jilted, abused, and left out in the cold. </p>
<p>Billy&#8217;s minions ate me alive on my review of their Denver show (denverpost.com/reverb) and my companion blog (breedavies.blogspot.com).</p>
<p>Wah, wah waaaah.</p>
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		<title>By: Smashing Pumpkins: Greetings from Chicago &#8212; Buzzbands.LA</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15238</link>
		<dc:creator>Smashing Pumpkins: Greetings from Chicago &#8212; Buzzbands.LA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] note: Sample reactions from the Smashing Pumpkins tour: Rolling Stone, Hipsters United, Pitchfork, Fluxblog, Stereogum.   Bookmark It          Hide Sites    $$('div.d1430').each( function(e) { [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Smashing Pumpkins&#8217; Anniversary Tour Is a Shitshow - Subculture</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15236</link>
		<dc:creator>Smashing Pumpkins&#8217; Anniversary Tour Is a Shitshow - Subculture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] setlist choices, awful-sounding music, and confounding sartorial decisions mixed with heavy doses of audience mockery: These are the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sonicdeath</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15234</link>
		<dc:creator>sonicdeath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>honestly, I really enjoy the new pumpkins show.  They did a similar thing with heavy metal machine in san francisco last year, and i really liked it.  I think the Pumpkins do a great job of mixing arty noise with the classics in a similar way to sonic youth.  I hate how pitchfork et al dislike the last album, because I love it, and think G.L.O.W is one of the most refreshing rock songs i've heard in a while.  Sure Billy can be pompous, but he can because he's a genius and is extremely talenting not only at face melting guitar solos, but meticulously constructed pop gems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>honestly, I really enjoy the new pumpkins show.  They did a similar thing with heavy metal machine in san francisco last year, and i really liked it.  I think the Pumpkins do a great job of mixing arty noise with the classics in a similar way to sonic youth.  I hate how pitchfork et al dislike the last album, because I love it, and think G.L.O.W is one of the most refreshing rock songs i&#8217;ve heard in a while.  Sure Billy can be pompous, but he can because he&#8217;s a genius and is extremely talenting not only at face melting guitar solos, but meticulously constructed pop gems.</p>
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		<title>By: Hipsters United // a blog about the Smashing Pumpkins &#187; Chicago-based group lazily rants at its diminishing audience</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15232</link>
		<dc:creator>Hipsters United // a blog about the Smashing Pumpkins &#187; Chicago-based group lazily rants at its diminishing audience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] audience  November 20th, 2008 by jjb tags: pitchfork, amusing, criticism   Poor setlist choices, awful-sounding music, and confounding sartorial decisions mixed with heavy doses of audience mockery: These are the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] audience  November 20th, 2008 by jjb tags: pitchfork, amusing, criticism   Poor setlist choices, awful-sounding music, and confounding sartorial decisions mixed with heavy doses of audience mockery: These are the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15231</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"He’s still the same petty bully who blew his top over Stephen Malkmus’s supposed Pumpkins “diss” on “Range Life” and whine about how “nobody wakes up in the morning humming a Pavement song” (so much for Corgan The Anti-Chart-Pop-Rebel)."

Funny, because I think I've woken up in the morning singing "Rage Life" more than I've woken up singing any Smashing Pumpkins song. What a douche, for realz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He’s still the same petty bully who blew his top over Stephen Malkmus’s supposed Pumpkins “diss” on “Range Life” and whine about how “nobody wakes up in the morning humming a Pavement song” (so much for Corgan The Anti-Chart-Pop-Rebel).&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny, because I think I&#8217;ve woken up in the morning singing &#8220;Rage Life&#8221; more than I&#8217;ve woken up singing any Smashing Pumpkins song. What a douche, for realz.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15230</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, Corgan can be summed up in two words: "split personality"
it defines everything the man does, the very fundamental coolness of the pumpkins music lies in the inherent dichotomy of combining heavy as fuck jams, and very emotional/evocative melodies and lyrics. Case and point, take a song like "Here Is No Why"; you get a sentimental line "to forgotten faces and faded loves", immediately followed by an absolutely SHIT HOT guitar solo and jimmy pummeling the living day light out of his  kit. 

Essentially, I think it is fair to say that (and let me state now that I am not a so called "Corgan Apologist" and I admit some of his work is trash) when he is good, my god, is he a fucking genius. Usually, this genius comes out when he effectively balances the contrasting elements of his music and pulls in some insanely gorgeous bassist (just kidding, but come on, Paz? wow was she beautiful). The blogger, in my opinion, could not be more on point when he calls the man out for his new formula for metal songs which is as follows:

"Jimmy, take out that drum rudiment method book, flip to a random page, and uhhh play it on your rack toms for the next 20 minutes... ok yeah that is perfect, now that I have reduced one of the best drummers of this generation to a fucking Casio, time to mask the blatant lack of emotion, melody, tune, genuine lyrical sentiment, and direction that my current songs are marred with, turn my big muff pedal up fucking all the way and play some minor key progression of power chords while I rant about gothic imagery or kafka or something for a while." 

Am I being a bit harsh? probably... United States is a decent enough tune, but you get the point. Once again the blogger brings up a valid point that an artist best suits themselves and their fans typically when they play to their strengths. The critics here seem to think that this automatically means you need to be Hannah Montana. Pink Floyd played twenty minute drugged out noise jams BECAUSE THAT WAS THEIR MOTHER FUCKING STRENGTH! Sonic Youth hold their guitars up to their amps and create otherwordly noises because that is what they do best, they are masters at the craft and people enjoy coming to see them do this, they enjoy seeing them push the boundaries in that realm. Would you claim that Sonic Youth was challenging their audience if they came out and played Coldplay cover songs for 40 minutes? I doubt it, you'd probably be pissed, understandably so, just like this blogger and I am. Corgan's strength is, among other things, a great sense of melody and tension/release, and solid lyrics. He is completely allowed to eschew his hit songs and experiment, all we are asking for is that he use his natural musical talents to his advantage, so that not only are we the audience awed by his considerable talents, but also he maxs out his own artistic potential instead of settling for singles that are released on guitar hero 3.

I've said far too much. A large contingent of everything he did up through Zwan was wonderful, the Future Embrace had a few moments, and unfortunately... well just go back to the top of the comment and start reading again that basically summarizes it hahahaha thank you and goodnight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, Corgan can be summed up in two words: &#8220;split personality&#8221;<br />
it defines everything the man does, the very fundamental coolness of the pumpkins music lies in the inherent dichotomy of combining heavy as fuck jams, and very emotional/evocative melodies and lyrics. Case and point, take a song like &#8220;Here Is No Why&#8221;; you get a sentimental line &#8220;to forgotten faces and faded loves&#8221;, immediately followed by an absolutely SHIT HOT guitar solo and jimmy pummeling the living day light out of his  kit. </p>
<p>Essentially, I think it is fair to say that (and let me state now that I am not a so called &#8220;Corgan Apologist&#8221; and I admit some of his work is trash) when he is good, my god, is he a fucking genius. Usually, this genius comes out when he effectively balances the contrasting elements of his music and pulls in some insanely gorgeous bassist (just kidding, but come on, Paz? wow was she beautiful). The blogger, in my opinion, could not be more on point when he calls the man out for his new formula for metal songs which is as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jimmy, take out that drum rudiment method book, flip to a random page, and uhhh play it on your rack toms for the next 20 minutes&#8230; ok yeah that is perfect, now that I have reduced one of the best drummers of this generation to a fucking Casio, time to mask the blatant lack of emotion, melody, tune, genuine lyrical sentiment, and direction that my current songs are marred with, turn my big muff pedal up fucking all the way and play some minor key progression of power chords while I rant about gothic imagery or kafka or something for a while.&#8221; </p>
<p>Am I being a bit harsh? probably&#8230; United States is a decent enough tune, but you get the point. Once again the blogger brings up a valid point that an artist best suits themselves and their fans typically when they play to their strengths. The critics here seem to think that this automatically means you need to be Hannah Montana. Pink Floyd played twenty minute drugged out noise jams BECAUSE THAT WAS THEIR MOTHER FUCKING STRENGTH! Sonic Youth hold their guitars up to their amps and create otherwordly noises because that is what they do best, they are masters at the craft and people enjoy coming to see them do this, they enjoy seeing them push the boundaries in that realm. Would you claim that Sonic Youth was challenging their audience if they came out and played Coldplay cover songs for 40 minutes? I doubt it, you&#8217;d probably be pissed, understandably so, just like this blogger and I am. Corgan&#8217;s strength is, among other things, a great sense of melody and tension/release, and solid lyrics. He is completely allowed to eschew his hit songs and experiment, all we are asking for is that he use his natural musical talents to his advantage, so that not only are we the audience awed by his considerable talents, but also he maxs out his own artistic potential instead of settling for singles that are released on guitar hero 3.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said far too much. A large contingent of everything he did up through Zwan was wonderful, the Future Embrace had a few moments, and unfortunately&#8230; well just go back to the top of the comment and start reading again that basically summarizes it hahahaha thank you and goodnight!</p>
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		<title>By: Cool Kids [No Longer] Have the Time &#171; Goodnight to the Rock &#38; Roll Era</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15229</link>
		<dc:creator>Cool Kids [No Longer] Have the Time &#171; Goodnight to the Rock &#38; Roll Era</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 01:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the Smashing Pumpkins reunion tour has become.  Numerous reports from the road - Stereogum, Fluxblog, and most recently Pitchfork - all chime in with the same story - Billy Corgan&#8217;s band [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15227</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(1) smashing pumpkins were (briefly) a PRETTY GOOD band.  never great, definitely not worth discussing in this depth (2) most of their original fans have grown up and sold at least most of their CDs *see Weezer (3) those who have not followed this path are either acting out of nostalgia (somewhat forgivable) or have super, super poor taste. (4) there is nothing "alternative" about joining forces with Target to release exclusive CDs (not that "alternative rock" was ever a valid label to begin with). (5) dudeman is 42 and he still puts on that pathetic, shiny "zero" shirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(1) smashing pumpkins were (briefly) a PRETTY GOOD band.  never great, definitely not worth discussing in this depth (2) most of their original fans have grown up and sold at least most of their CDs *see Weezer (3) those who have not followed this path are either acting out of nostalgia (somewhat forgivable) or have super, super poor taste. (4) there is nothing &#8220;alternative&#8221; about joining forces with Target to release exclusive CDs (not that &#8220;alternative rock&#8221; was ever a valid label to begin with). (5) dudeman is 42 and he still puts on that pathetic, shiny &#8220;zero&#8221; shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Smashing Pumpkins' Anniversary Tour Is a Shitshow - Indie Music News - musicscene network</title>
		<link>http://www.fluxblog.org/2008/11/one-last-trip-to-hell#comment-15226</link>
		<dc:creator>Smashing Pumpkins' Anniversary Tour Is a Shitshow - Indie Music News - musicscene network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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