Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> Comments on: Fluxblog Interview with Maxi Geil! http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:55:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Jack http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3893 Jack Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:08:57 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3893 I tend to agree that Bjork's probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more 'art' based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney... but it's probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that's probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together. At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist's album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there's something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn't have to be the 'track' or 'song'. And, you know, she's only doing it for one album - I'd see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation. I tend to agree that Bjork’s probably seeing her musical explorations as being consistently more ‘art’ based rather than based in the tenets and formulas of popular music culture, and that may be because of her relationship with Barney… but it’s probably the other way around. She always had that aspect to her work, that’s probably some of the things that her and Barney had in common when they first got together.

At the end of the day the concept of the pop artist’s album being a mixture of styles and themes is actually a really old formula - there’s something to be said for an obsessional concentration on a theme for the duration of a piece of work, and the unit of musical exchange doesn’t have to be the ‘track’ or ’song’. And, you know, she’s only doing it for one album - I’d see your point a little more if she was spending twenty years doing nothing but vocal experimentation.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3896 Matthew Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:02:43 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3896 Loz, there's a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps. Loz, there’s a couple songs on the Maxi site if that helps.

]]> By: Loz http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3888 Loz Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:54:19 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3888 Excellent interview Matthew. I don't suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I'd saved them, hadn't... Disaster! Excellent interview Matthew. I don’t suppose you could bung up the older Maxi Geil tracks again for a few days could you? I recently had to reformat my hard disk, thought I’d saved them, hadn’t… Disaster!

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3892 Matthew Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:11:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3892 I don't think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there's a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He's kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she's become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so. I don’t think that Matthew Barney is an example of the kind of thing we were talking about - he works in several different media (sculpture, design, film, acting, photography, etc) and there’s a lot of different ideas going on in his work. He’s kinda the opposite of the thing that Guy and I were talking about, really. He was only brought up because his relationship with Bjork in some way explains how she’s become more art-world-y in her approach to music in the past four years or so.

]]> By: Eppy http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3894 Eppy Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:00:42 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3894 I'm not sure anyone's arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I've always felt of the "outsider art" phenomenon--Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that's cool, but, you know, there's room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there's room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market. It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don't see that problem in anything being discussed here. I’m not sure anyone’s arguing that ALL art should be wide-ranging, just that a lot of it these days does seem to be focused on theme at the expense of almost everything else, a symptom I’ve always felt of the “outsider art” phenomenon–Barney (who I like, incidentally) reminds me of that guy who developed that intricate, obsessively illustrated mythology, except with a bigger budget. And that’s cool, but, you know, there’s room for other stuff too. And anyway, I think the case was more being made that you could develop an idea for, say, 6-9 months instead of 5-10 years and then transition into something else related. But there’s room for the lifers too in this big beautiful art market.

It would be nice if more people who wanted to be artists wanted to make art instead of live like artists, but I don’t see that problem in anything being discussed here.

]]> By: zod http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3882 zod Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:01:25 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3882 'Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her.' That's not all it's useful shorthand for. ‘Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.’

That’s not all it’s useful shorthand for.

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3883 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:56 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3883 (Oh, and I did type "hir" entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for "his or her." Sorry if this caused any confusion.) (Oh, and I did type “hir” entirely on purpose: useful shorthand for “his or her.” Sorry if this caused any confusion.)

]]> By: Jack Fear http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3887 Jack Fear Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:56:17 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3887 Bjorn, I'm really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world. And art is supposed to be fun, right? Or is it? Bjorn, I’m really struggling to maintain a civil and courteous tone here. It might behoove you to try to do the same. This is a conversation about ideas, about different ways of looking at art and at the world.

And art is supposed to be fun, right?

Or is it?

]]> By: s1ocki http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3898 s1ocki Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:27:01 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3898 you dogmatic prick you dogmatic prick

]]> By: Bjorn http://www.fluxblog.org/2004/09/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil#comment-3899 Bjorn Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:16:37 +0000 http://fluxblogtemp.wordpress.com/2004/09/14/fluxblog-interview-with-maxi-geil/#comment-3899 You were talking, for one thing, about a SINGLE ALBUM--excuse me "record." You no-short-term-memory SPAZ. And if art is about ideas, maybe there's value in DEVELOPING an idea now and then instead of just endlessly racing on to some NEXT one (and value to self-imposed limitations, which has been a major idea explored in Matthew Barney's work, incidentally). Except maybe in your case, since you probably haven't yet pondered one worth development. Or (apparently) heard of the concept of THEME. You were talking, for one thing, about a SINGLE ALBUM–excuse me “record.” You no-short-term-memory SPAZ. And if art is about ideas, maybe there’s value in DEVELOPING an idea now and then instead of just endlessly racing on to some NEXT one (and value to self-imposed limitations, which has been a major idea explored in Matthew Barney’s work, incidentally). Except maybe in your case, since you probably haven’t yet pondered one worth development. Or (apparently) heard of the concept of THEME.

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